catholic answers forum Bashing the protestants --Are Protestants preaching false doctrine/Blasphemy????

Jul 3, '13, 9:58 pm

pablope Regular Member   Join Date: September 29, 2010 Location: California Posts: 5,713 Religion: catholic

Re: Are Protestant/Non-Denominational Christians preaching false doctrine or even Blasphemy???? [quote=dronald;10942065] Quote: Originally Posted by Jon S Interesting. Do you have any information on why it wouldn't have been in the canon from Constantinople? Edit: So sometimes Canon only meant what was read in the liturgy? Keep in mind..the reason for establishing a canon was to have a standard set of readings for the Mass. This is what Trent says:the Council of Trent, Session Four, would state: "If anyone does not accept as sacred and canonical the aforesaid books in their entirety and with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate Edition, and knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions, let him be anathema."

#32     Jul 5, '13, 7:58 pm

steve b Senior Member   Join Date: June 27, 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,509 Religion: Cradle Catholic

Re: Are Protestants preaching false doctrine/Blasphemy???? Quote: Originally Posted by RaiseMeUp A debate I keep finding myself in with my protestant acquaintances is what they call the "Apocrypha". In my opinion, if all 73 books are Divinely inspired, then they are without error. What gives anyone ANY authority to remove even one word from the scripture, let alone add a word to alter the scripture??? Isn't the unpardonable sin Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't referring to Divinely Inspired scripture as irrelevant or erroneous be going against the Holy Spirit, therefore blasphemy? And what I don't understand is Sola Scripture as the center of belief yet, excluding the work of the 7 books removed from the Bible. That seems to contradict itself... going by scripture alone yet, the scripture they are so steadily rooted in is incomplete. . . . . . . . This is an old book but useful in this discussion you're having. http://www.catholicapologetics.info/...ism/wbible.htm __________________ To doubt is the greatest insult to the Divinity.[St Padre Pio]

#33     Jul 7, '13, 9:25 am

Arizona Mike Regular Member   Join Date: May 28, 2011 Posts: 1,561 Religion: Catholic

Re: Are Protestants preaching false doctrine/Blasphemy???? John C. Wright, the science fiction author (and Catholic convert) just started an interesting series of articles on his blog on why he chose Catholicism (as opposed to a Protestant denomination) as his faith when he abandoned his atheism. He goes into some detail on why canonicity is such an issue in his conversion to Catholicism. His website: http://www.scifiwright.com/ The posted articles thus far: http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/07/a...-on-authority/ http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/07/a...he-messengers/ http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/07/a...e-magisterium/ From the last article: Quote: The third point that convinced me of the truth of the Catholic claims is the paradox of accepting the canon of scripture while rejecting the teaching authority, that is to say, the Magisterium, of the Church. This is asserting an infallible scripture was canonized by a fallible Church; or again that an authorized scripture was authorized by an unauthorized Church. [...] In sum, the Protestant argument suffers from a crucial and fatal defect: You cannot take the Christian Bible as the sole authority from which to judge what Christians should and should not believe, and then argue that the Christians have no authority to interpret the Bible, no authority to write the Bible, no authority to say which books are authoritative and which are not. The stark fact is that the Bible has no authority outside the authority the Church, acting on her own authority, grants to the Bible. The Bible cannot witness to its own truth. The only logical reason to accept the Bible as true is to accept it on the witness of the Church that wrote, compiled and sanctified it. If you think the Church is filled with liars and idolaters and that the Pope is the Antichrist, then you have no grounds to think that any documents produced by the Church are not the documents of liars and idolaters and antichrists. But suppose it were not so. Suppose Luther had the authority to rewrite and re-edit the Bible. In that case, the Bible cannot be the sole and final authority on matters of Christian doctrine: Luther himself is. But Luther did not heal the sick and raise the dead and do the other mighty works which prophets routinely perform in order to show a divine sanction supports their words. He can simply give no warrant for such a claim of authority. __________________ "The path that leads us toward what is most consonant with us, pushes us into Mystery, makes us enter Mystery." - Pope Francis

#34     Jul 8, '13, 9:16 am

steve b Senior Member   Join Date: June 27, 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,509 Religion: Cradle Catholic

Re: Are Protestants preaching false doctrine/Blasphemy???? Quote: Originally Posted by Arizona Mike John C. Wright, the science fiction author (and Catholic convert) just started an interesting series of articles on his blog on why he chose Catholicism (as opposed to a Protestant denomination) as his faith when he abandoned his atheism. He goes into some detail on why canonicity is such an issue in his conversion to Catholicism. His website: http://www.scifiwright.com/ The posted articles thus far: http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/07/a...-on-authority/ http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/07/a...he-messengers/ http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/07/a...e-magisterium/ From the last article: "The third point that convinced me of the truth of the Catholic claims is the paradox of accepting the canon of scripture while rejecting the teaching authority, that is to say, the Magisterium, of the Church. This is asserting an infallible scripture was canonized by a fallible Church; or again that an authorized scripture was authorized by an unauthorized Church." [snip] R.C. Sproul a Protestant authority and PhD, said it this way. "We ( i.e Protestants) have a fallible collection of infallible books" sheesh! I wonder if he regrets saying that? __________________ To doubt is the greatest insult to the Divinity.[St Padre Pio]

#35     Today, 3:27 pm

danieljokeefe Trial Membership   Join Date: July 23, 2013 Posts: 1 Religion: catyholic

Re: Are Protestants preaching false doctrine/Blasphemy???? Quote: Originally Posted by RaiseMeUp A debate I keep finding myself in with my protestant acquaintances is what they call the "Apocrypha". In my opinion, if all 73 books are Divinely inspired, then they are without error. What gives anyone ANY authority to remove even one word from the scripture, let alone add a word to alter the scripture??? Isn't the unpardonable sin Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't referring to Divinely Inspired scripture as irrelevant or erroneous be going against the Holy Spirit, therefore blasphemy? And what I don't understand is Sola Scripture as the center of belief yet, excluding the work of the 7 books removed from the Bible. That seems to contradict itself... going by scripture alone yet, the scripture they are so steadily rooted in is incomplete. . . . . . . . hello-- can you be more specific as to what you view as Protestants? as this is a protestant "bashing" forum-- and as i review the other threads and postings- - it appears that protestants-- also include -- Pentecostal, Evangelical, Lutheran, Calvinist, Baptist, church of Christ- - also included denomination that include sensationalists, where no miracles are for -today, that they died out with the last apostles.. so i have no idea what scripture understanding to evaluate when some on on this forum says -- what do you think of the protestants and the gazillion denomination ?? Especally because the pope has said -- that there is salvation and the hop of heaven -- available out side of the catholic religion system??